Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Tito-brionska-izjava.jpg

From Wikimedia Commons, the free media repository
Jump to navigation Jump to search
This deletion discussion is now closed. Please do not make any edits to this archive. You can read the deletion policy or ask a question at the Village pump. If the circumstances surrounding this file have changed in a notable manner, you may re-nominate this file or ask for it to be undeleted.

Photos from Yugoslavia[edit]

It is not true that photos from Yugoslavia are public domain by default. The succesor states have their own copyright laws. Some of these photos are from other countries than Yugoslavia. --Thuresson 00:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Image:Tito-brionska-izjava.jpg
  2. Image:Tito-poza.jpg
  3. Image:Tito, josip broz.jpg
  4. Image:Titoindiranaser.jpg
  5. Image:Tito-gadafi.jpg
  6. Image:Tito-i-nixon.jpg
Also an offical photo of the USGov, beacuse Tito was with the president, and a photographer who is not an government official cannot take such good pics of the two. The licence is on the pic, so this one does not beling here.
  1. Image:John Kennedy Greeting President Tito jpg.jpg
Also an offical photo of the USGov, beacuse Tito was with the president, and a photographer who is not an government official cannot take such good pics of the two. The licence is on the pic, so this one does not beling here.
  1. Image:Tito,kenedy.jpg
Also an offical photo of the USGov, beacuse Tito was with the president, and a photographer who is not an government official cannot take such good pics of the two. The licence is on the pic, so this one does not beling here.
I disagree. It could well be a news photo. The image apparently was taken at an assembly of the UN in 1960.[1] Besides, what's that halo around the head of the second person from the left? Lupo 13:05, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Image:J broz.JPG
  2. Image:Tito (cropped Chruchill).jpg
Also a photo made by the british government before 1957, while Churchill was still primeminister. So PD. The licence is there.
  1. Image:Churchilltito.jpg
Also a photo made by the british government before 1957, while Churchill was still primeminister. So PD. The licence shpould be put there.

Well, as i put on the two in the USA, they area alos pics from the USGov, that is surely. And it is defeinte that all picas, except maybe with Nasser and Indira aree made in Yugolsvia. Bironska izjava is made on Brijuni, SFRY (today Croatia), so made and puvlished durning SFRY. With Gadafi also, he came to Belgradi to Beli dvor durning Tito's rule, so made in and puvlished durnig SFRY. The portraits of Tito are surely made by the Yugolsva government, beacuse he was adorend in SFRY and many of his portratits were made by the government, or the official portraiters of Tito. So, all except Image:Titoindiranaser.jpg, are surely made in and published durning SFRY. --Poirot 09:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide a reputable source to verify your claim that every litterary or artistic work made in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia 1943-1991 are public domain. Thuresson 18:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a sec. SFRY collapsed in 1991. 5 new countries were created, all with differenet laws. Also, the laws are different from the lwas of the SFRY. So, as the SFRY has no legal succesor, the laws (unlike the Third Reich which has a legal succesor), do not apply for any videos, or pics created by the SFRY government, or by any official of the government, and are published in the SFRY. Beacuse all of these were made by Yugoslav officials, and were pulblished in the SFRY, the laws do not apply to them, and they are PD. --Poirot 13:53, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please provide a reputable source to verify your claim that every litterary or artistic work made in the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia 1943-1991 are public domain. Please provide a source for your claim that SFRY has no legal successor. Please provide a source that can verify that these photos were taken by employees of the Yugoslav government. Thuresson 14:34, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
you provide that it is not as I said, and you will also have proof. If you do not find, than my theory is correct. --Poirot 19:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how copyright works; that's not how Commons works. We assume full copyright protection, unless proven otherwise. -- Bryan (talk to me) 20:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have found a reliable source that indicates that the SFRY has no legal successor: [2]. However, I cannot find proof that this means that government work is PD. -- Bryan (talk to me) 20:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I found some more information about copyrights and the former states of the SFRY: [3]. Still nothing on governmental work. -- Bryan (talk to me) 20:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of copyright, all the successor states have continued the international obligations of the SFRY. The SFRY was a member of the UCC since May 11, 1966, and so are all the successor states. See Circular 38a of the U.S. Copyright Office, and the list of UCC (1952) members. All these countries started out by taking over the last copyright law of the SFRY, which had a 25-year from publication copyright term for photographs. See also Commons talk:Licensing/Archive 3#PD-Croatia? and this old discussion. Lupo 21:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was member of the Berne Convention since 1930.[4]. The SFRY signed the Stockholm Act of the Berne Convention before 1968.[5] It also signed the Paris Act on July 24, 1971, and ratified it in 1975. The Paris Act of the BC entered in force with respect to the SFRY on September 2, 1975.[6] Note that there is an explicit "declaration of succession", so clearly the SFRY does have legal successors when it comes to the Berne Convention. Lupo 09:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Besides, I find these "made by this or that government" claims unfounded. These may well be news images. News reporters routinely do photograph meetings between heads of state, don't they? Lupo 21:37, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

They aree made by the government --Edgar Allan Poe 17:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide evidence for that? Lupo 15:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Can you that they are not. They surely would not allow smoe newsreporter to take sucha good photo of such meetings. The govermnent later released the pics to the press. --Poirot 18:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
User:Thuresson is right, although he doesn't know why. There is the Agreement on Succession Issues of the Former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia [7], signed in 2001. Its Annex G, Article 3 says: "The successor states shall respect and protect rights of all natural and juridical persons of the SFRY to intellectual property, including patents, trade marks, copyrights, and other allied rights (e.g., royalties) and shall comply with international conventions in that regard."
User:Bryan's claim that "SFRY has no legal successor" is plain wrong: The preamble of the agreement says: "Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Republic of Croatia, the Republic of Macedonia, the Republic of Slovenia and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, being in sovereign equality the five successor states to the former Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, ...".
The question of Yugoslavia's legal successor has been heavily disputed in the 1990's. Serbia and Montenegro (FRY) claimed that they were the sole successor of SFRY according to en:Vienna Convention on Succession of States in respect of Treaties, since the "renegade" republics have seceded. There was no unanimous consensus on that issue, but since Serbia-Montenegro does not support its claim any longer, for the purposes of this deletion procedure, we can safely assume that there were five successor states, each with its own copyright law, under obligation to comply with international conventions in that regard (as mentioned by User:Lupo).See [8] and [9] for more information. --El Cazangero 22:12, 14 June

2007 (UTC)

So you say that all the succesor countries protect the pic on thei own laws ? So, all of these official goverment meeting pics can gon under {{PD-SCGGov}} beacuse they are govermnet pic protected by the Serbian law ? Ist taht correct, or are they copyrihgtad and cannot go on commons with any image tag ? PLease explain ? --Edgar Allan Poe 10:33, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Do you relay want to knwo ?! Tehn go and read it: [10]. --El Cazangero 18:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sory, I do not have a law degree, so please tell me. Yes or no ? So you say that all the succesor countries protect the pic on thei own laws ? So, all of these official goverment meeting pics can gon under {{PD-SCGGov}} beacuse they are govermnet pic protected by the Serbian law ? Ist taht correct, or are they copyrihgtad and cannot go on commons with any image tag ? PLease explain ? --78.3.97.44 16:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can anybody answer my question ? --78.3.121.48 13:49, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All deleted. As Lupo said, images need to have a source, and just assuming they are PD because they are believed to have been taken by a certain government, first published in a certain country before a certain date is not acceptable. / Fred J 11:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Retrieved from "https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Tito-brionska-izjava.jpg&oldid=7127279"