Razgovor:Bol/Arhiva 1

Arhiva 1

Arhiva 2

Prvi podnaslov

Zar se bol javlja samo pri oštećenju tkiva? Nisam pročitao ceo članak, ali u prvim pasusima tako stoji. Ako ovo nije slučaj (a čini mi se da nije), onda treba malo prepodesiti prvu definiciju: Bol je neprijatan osećaj koji se javlja kad postoji oštećenje tkiva. -- Obradović Goran (razgovor) 02:50, 5. jun 2006. (CEST)

evo, malo sam sredio, napravio sam sličnije objašnjenju sa engleske Vikipedije :-) --Boris Malagurski ₪ 03:54, 5. jun 2006. (CEST)

Takvu definiciju sam našao u literaturi koju sam koristio: Arthur C. Guyton-Medicinska fiziologija, Savremena administracija (izdanje iz 2000), ali se i ja slažem da je ona preuska.

Na sajtu međunarodnog udruženja za studije bola je sledeća definicja: An unpleasant sensory and emotional experience associated with actual or potential tissue damage, or described in terms of such damage.

Dalje kaže:

Notes: Pain is always subjective. Each individual learns the application of the word through experiences related to injury in early life. Biologists recognize that those stimuli which cause pain are liable to damage tissue. Accordingly, pain is that experience we associate with actual or potential tissue damage. It is unquestionably a sensation in a part or parts of the body, but it is also always unpleasant and therefore also an emotional experience. Experiences which resemble pain but are not unpleasant, e.g., pricking, should not be called pain. Unpleasant abnormal experiences (dysesthesias) may also be pain but are not necessarily so because, subjectively, they may not have the usual sensory qualities of pain.

Many people report pain in the absence of tissue damage or any likely pathophysiological cause; usually this happens for psychological reasons. There is usually no way to distinguish their experience from that due to tissue damage if we take the subjective report. If they regard their experience as pain and if they report it in the same ways as pain caused by tissue damage, it should be accepted as pain. This definition avoids tying pain to the stimulus. Activity induced in the nociceptor and nociceptive pathways by a noxious stimulus is not pain, which is always a psychological state, even though we may well appreciate that pain most often has a proximate physical cause.

Ipak je po mom mišljenju bolje reći koje se može javiti, a ne koje se javlja jer se ponekad u slučaju oštećenja tkiva ne javlja bol, tako da bih zadržao Borisovu rečenicu i malo je proširio npr.

Bol je subjektivno, neprijatno opažanje i osećaj, koji se može javiti usled oštećenja tkiva, njegovog predstojećeg oštećenja, ili se usled psiholoških uzroka..--Vlada 13:05, 5. jun 2006. (CEST)